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all right y'all
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it's time to talk basketball
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I'm Jose Saviadi
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editor to Beach basket.nett
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he Steve Preshelo
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a long time educator
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Steve are you ready
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ready let's do this
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ready let's do this
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alright we're gonna start the timer
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timer is going right
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timer is going right
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this week's thought focused on team expectations
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every team that suits up wants to make the finals
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every team that suits up wants to make the finals
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but realistically
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they're not all gonna make it
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you laid out more realistic expectations
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for some of the top tier teams
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and we wanna take a look at those now
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we'll start in the east with the Boston Celtics
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we'll start in the east with the Boston Celtics
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um this is a win it or else team
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their expectation is to lift the Larry O'Brien
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at the end of the season
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as you point out right
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as you point out right
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they're built to win
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so what happens in Boston
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so what happens in Boston
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if they fall short of that expectation
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they spend a lot of money
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a lot of salaries
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Jaylen Brown's money kicks in next year
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which is in the high 50s to sixty wow
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Jason Tatum
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won't he have to agree to a new contract
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but his new contract wouldn't kick into two years
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not next year
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the year after
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now they have drew holidays contract
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he's got a player option
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he's making 35
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he could take the 35 and
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and you know
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go from there or Boston could extend them
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Derek White contracts up after next year
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he's gonna be in for a nice race
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he's making about 18
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you should I'm looking
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I think 25 might be a nice number for him
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Przingas has got two more years
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Boston if they don't win
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that's just their starters
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orphans got one more year for 10
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but if they don't win
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but if they don't win
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they're in the second April
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which really restricts on what
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what you can do
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and they've never been known to spend that much
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if they don't go far in the playoffs
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they're gonna be changes if they
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if holiday plays out as option
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they can't trade him
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if they resign him for 60 days after the contract
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so that would hold
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the other option would be Jaylen Brown goes
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but something will happen
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unless they decide to run it back one more time
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and then move on
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when Tatum's money comes
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it kicks in
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then they have to do something but Boston
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Boston is not known to go this far in the cap
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and don't forget
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they're paying
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paying Pritchard
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7 million for the next three and a half years
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but Sam House
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is only making about a million and a half
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hmm and he's got one more year now
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hmm and he's got one more year now
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hmm and he's got one more year now
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he'll probably get what Pritchard's getting
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that's more money into the
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into the cap in two years
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they also have Luke Cornettes making 1.5
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and he's become a
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a key bench guy so right
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his contract's over
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so they've got some tough decisions to make
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if they don't win it
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if they win it
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they'll make money
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they'll be fine with the finals
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they'll be fine with the finals
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all the money they'll make
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they'll be fine
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they can probably run it back for a year or two more
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and extend Drew Holiday
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but they they are in an interesting place
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they do have their draft picks so they
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they do have their draft picks so they
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they might be able to help their bench by doing it
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but they are in an interesting place where it could all
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but they are in an interesting place where it could all
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go out the window if they do well
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fold though
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in the playoffs
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oh fold though
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I I appreciate two references to run it back
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I was gonna ask you about that
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and that's just another show that we do
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run it back NBA
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we can review
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shameless plug there
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um yeah Boston
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they've been building for this moment
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right I mean
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they've been building around the two J's
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they've been building around the two J's
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and they finally got a team
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I should say finally
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cause I think they've had other teams
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that could have won them
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they just didn't you know
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you gotta get lucky
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things gotta fall right for you
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but this team is
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is is absolutely poised to
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to make it and um
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be interesting to see what happens
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whether they do
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or they don't
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I wanna add something
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yeah Jason Tatum
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yeah Jason Tatum
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his numbers are what they have been
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this is his best season as a Celtic
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he's really
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he's really coming to his own
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he's a star
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he'll get wall up
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he'll play defense
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you'll see him do some great things defensively
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he can rebound
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he's getting close to
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and near every night
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being on triple
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double watch
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he's not quite there yet but he's
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he's going out and get 25
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7 and 7 which is
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is a nice night
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he he isn't end and
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and he won't get any honors for this
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nor will Jaylen Brown
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but both of them
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defensively
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are pretty good players
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because Derek White and holiday will get the
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the defensive honors this year
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first year second team
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alright let's uh
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I know you can talk about the Celtics for hours
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so we're gonna have to move on
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I'm sure we'll come
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well we'll definitely come back to the east
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but let's move to the west now
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you said this about the Oklahoma City Thunder
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that teams come up several times on this show
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you said they are in an interesting position
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uh I have thoughts about that
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uh I have thoughts about that
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elaborate what
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what what's interesting about their position
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as I pointed out
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they have 15 first round picks in the next five years
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yep they have a pretty young team
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they have their
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their building big three in Homegren
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their building big three in Homegren
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their building big three in Homegren
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Alexander and Chad
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Alexander and Chad
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I mean and um
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and Williams I'm sorry
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and Williams I'm sorry
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and Williams
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so they're going to get
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only get better
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the team is only gonna get better
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they're gonna win over 50 games this year sir
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the biggest
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problems are going to have in a couple years
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when all these people are looking for max money
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and that's gonna be where
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they're gonna have to start deciding who to keep
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who to get rid of
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right if they have all those picks
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they can begin to get rid of the Josh guineas
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and get something in the next draft to some
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to compliment
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or supplement
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rather of of
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rather of of
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of of Guinea and people like that
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so they are
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they are loaded
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and nobody expected them to be this good
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now they they're playing on house money for a while
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right they you know
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next year I would think they would expect to go to the
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close to the finals
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but this year
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if they get out of the first round
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I think they'll be really happy
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the experience will be worth it and it
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it's only gonna get better
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and I would think in the next 10 years
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and I would think in the next 10 years
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you're gonna see a title or two there
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yeah that's
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that's wild and
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and and actually
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great for Oklahoma City
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if you're a fan of basketball
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I mean you gotta be happy for the thunder
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I mean you gotta be happy for the thunder
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they are a a very interesting
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team because they are good now
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and they're poised to be good
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for the foreseeable future because of all those picks
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um and they're
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they're an oddity in this list
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because they're the only team that can I
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that I think they can say that they're
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they're really built for now
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in the future
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so if you're a Thunder fan
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uh kudos to you you've got
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you got a good team to root for
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it's about back to the east
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you said that Cavaliers are the easiest to understand
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Cavs one of the highest teams in the NBA
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um you know
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um you know
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they had a little bit of a bump
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they had a little bit of a bump
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but they've been great um
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since you know the
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the calendar turned 24
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they seem to be the most volatile
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in my opinion
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in terms of rebooting
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if they don't meet expectations
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so I gotta ask you
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what are the Cavaliers expectations
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and what happens if they fall short
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I think that the
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management would like them to go
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to the conference finals
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hmm I think that's not really good expectations
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hmm I think that's not really good expectations
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I think if they don't get out of the first round
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which could happen
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you're gonna see Victor staff
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Victor staff will be looking for a job
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um but also
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the whole thing comes down to Donovan Mitchell
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if Donovan Mitchell's happy
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that's why they have to go far in the playoffs
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he'll resign for big money
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he'll resign for big money
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if he's not happy and they don't do well
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he's out and now what do you do
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well you got a problem
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you saw last night
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they played Philly without Donovan Mitchell
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and they lost
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Philly doesn't have MB
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so how good would they be
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it would be an interesting thing
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but they won't be good
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but they won't be good
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real good to to content
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so it really comes back to
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everything goes back to Donovan Mitchell
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and I think that's directly linked
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to how far they go in the playoffs
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if Mitchell sees them only go quickly
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or in the second round
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I think he's gonna
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he's not gonna resign
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and this summer he'll get there
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because if he's not gonna resign
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he's gotta you know they
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they have to get him out and get some assets yeah
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Donna Mitchell's come up a couple times on this show
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Donna Mitchell's come up a couple times on this show
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Donna Mitchell's come up a couple times on this show
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and I think you know
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I've talked about him
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I've talked about him
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he's he's kind of an interesting guy at Utah
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he's he's kind of an interesting guy at Utah
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his teams are great but fizzles right in the playoffs
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we're seeing that in Cleveland
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and you start to wonder right
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who is Donovan Mitchell right
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um I know there's some
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um I know there's some
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you know you're gonna laugh
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but it's true
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there's a lot of rumors and some bubbling that
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the Lakers are very interested in him
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I I knew you were gonna laugh
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who told you who did
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who did you give up for
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no Tori on Prince and Rui Hachimaru bro do it
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no Tori on Prince and Rui Hachimaru bro do it
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yeah yeah we'll
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we'll give up one of the two for Donovan Mitchell
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straight up
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that's so we
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they want every star that comes on
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but they have nothing to trade
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they do they do they do it
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but what interesting and
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but what interesting and
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and and like your fans
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you know we'll
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we'll attest to it
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somehow they make it work
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I you know I
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I don't know uh
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they obviously something needs to happen here in LA um
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they obviously something needs to happen here in LA um
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they obviously something needs to happen here in LA um
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so there are rumors so
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so there are rumors so
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but we'll see I'm
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I'm just curious about who Donovan Mitchell is right
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is he that alpha
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is he the guy that can lead you to the Promised Land
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he's had plenty of time to prove it
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I think he is
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I think he's gotta be a beta to some alpha I
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I don't know but um
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I don't know but um
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you will see um
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alright let's finish
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in the west
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we just brought up the Lakers
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this is the other team
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Los Angeles Clippers um
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you likened them in your article to the Boston Celtics
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you likened them in your article to the Boston Celtics
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which is high praise
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uh not something Celtic
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probably Clippers fans are you know
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probably Clippers fans are you know
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are used to
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certainly not longtime Clippers fans
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um why do you think the Clippers kind of align with
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um why do you think the Clippers kind of align with
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the Celtics in terms of expectations this season
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the Celtics in terms of expectations this season
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what a situation they're in
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new arena coming next year
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yep no one who go in without their stars right
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yep no one who go in without their stars right
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the stars are getting older
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they're not gonna get better
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like if I look at the Celtics
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like if I look at the Celtics
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I think Tatum
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and brown still haven't reached their peak
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hmm I think Hawaii
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and George and
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and George and
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and Harden a little bit past
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so the Hawaii is resigned
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so the Hawaii is resigned
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so the Hawaii is resigned
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the other two guys
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Harden and George have not
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Harden and George have not
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they've got Steve Bomber
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the owner by the
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um basketball
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um basketball
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by the shirt whatever
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whatever terminology you wanna use
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but cause he needs to resign them
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otherwise there's
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who's gonna go
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and the Lakers will stay on top
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if he does resign them
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it's gonna be difficult cause I
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I think it's a diminishing return
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so this I think more than Boston this is it
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so this I think more than Boston this is it
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if they don't get it
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yeah they'll be fine next year
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they'll come in third
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you know fourth
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maybe go into the second round of the playoffs
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maybe go into the second round of the playoffs
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and then make a good showing
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and be a fun thing to watch but
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but it's only gonna get lower or worse and
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and so it's all or nothing
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and for bomber he
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and for bomber he
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he's got a problem
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he's got a major problem
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because he's put
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put himself behind those three guys
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and either they get better or
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or there's big problems and
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and the interesting thing is
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he's paying a lot of money for these guys
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Luna Powell's a flat out player
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man is a flat out player love him
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the big guys
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they're serviceable
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you haven't seen white ice
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and probably is a problem
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cause he's wide but
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but they're serviceable
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but it's all about those three
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it's all about those three to
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it's all about those three to
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and I probably missed a few guys on in the
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on the team
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but it's all about those three guys and what happens
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and even if he resigns him
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he's gonna have a problem in a year or two
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because yeah
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it just isn't gonna be as good
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it just isn't gonna be as good
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yeah I can't disagree with anything that you said
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yeah I can't disagree with anything that you said
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the Clippers of the epitome of a team has gone all in
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right this season
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is it um and if
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if they fail to make it
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if they fail to make it
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I've said this before
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I don't remember if I said it on this show or others
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but I've said it before
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if they fail to make it this season
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after so many let downs over the last you know
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five six years
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um you know
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I I do think it's probably time
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I I do think it's probably time
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you know to blow it up to reboot
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you know to blow it up to reboot
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uh I don't think they're gonna do it
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uh I don't think they're gonna do it
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but I I think the
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but I I think the
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you know the
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the frustration is gonna bubble over
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the frustration is gonna bubble over
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um now that being said
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you know we talk about the downs
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oh go ahead
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go ahead go ahead
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well you can't you
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the problem with blowing it up
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that implies you trade one of the three
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yeah Kawhi Leonard
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you can trade
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but if they resign
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Harden and George
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I believe it's like December 15th
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I believe it's like December 15th
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before you can start moving people out those two
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before you can start moving people out those two
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so you're a little bit in trouble there
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it would be good though
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cause it'll sell season tickets
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if you're bringing back George and Harden
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yeah but you know
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yeah but you know
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and and and let me go one thing
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and and and let me go one thing
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and and and let me go one thing
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step further
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I know Indiana has a love affair with George
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supposedly hmm
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what is bomber do if they offer
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what is bomber do if they offer
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him big money for four years
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and that it gets very
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very interesting
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James Harden
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who knows what he'll wanna do in a couple weeks
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or a couple months but
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but it it's a very
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it's a very interesting well yeah
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he might get upset
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you know if it's
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if it's happened or
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you know yeah
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so it's interesting
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so it's interesting
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Holy bombers got himself in a situation because
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in an arena that he
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in an arena that he
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he's in he's in uh
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he's in deep here and he's got some problem
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the one good thing I just read that
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he's making a billion a year in interest
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so if he throws a little bit of money away
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it's not gonna really change much
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I was gonna make the point as the richest sports owner
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right um in
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in the association bombers
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one of those unique guys who
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you know listen
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everybody wants to make money
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of course but I he
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of course but I he
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he really does value and it's super corny
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but I think he
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he wants to win over making money um
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he wants to win over making money um
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and I think he's shown that
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you know by
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by by by dipping his toes in the luxury tax and and
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by by by dipping his toes in the luxury tax and and
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and just really being kind of exorbitant
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um but you're right
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I think this
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I think this
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this season is is big um
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and it's very
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very possible we
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see a totally different Celtics
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see a totally different Celtics
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totally different Clippers team next season
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I did wanna finish with this um
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hey what's up
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I'm in LA Ray
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Steve is in the East Coast
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that's our buzzer
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I do think that the Clippers you
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I do think that the Clippers you
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you brought up how you know
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the Lakers will stay on top
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and for the life of that franchise
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and for the life of that franchise
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there always gonna be
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you know when you talk about the Clippers
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you can talk about the Lakers uh
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when you talk about the Lakers
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you don't talk about the Clippers
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when you talk about the Clippers
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you talk about the Lakers
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that's just the way it's always been
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and I do think that for this season to go right
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and I do think that for this season to go right
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for the Clippers
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not only do they have to win the finals
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but they have to go through the Lakers to do it right
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I think that is so important for this franchise
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to beat them in you know
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head to head
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it should happen in 2020
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it should happen in 2020
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the Lakers made it to Western Conference finals
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the Clippers couldn't
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um I think that is the
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the perfect scenario for the Los Angeles Clippers
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they get through the Lakers and they lift the L O B
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um and if not
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I think things are gonna look different
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I think things are gonna look different
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yeah I agree
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yeah I agree
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outstanding
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alright let's finish on that
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alright let's finish on that
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not only did we we just we
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we came close to the buzzer and we agree on the topic
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that's that's
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that's awesome
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so win win uh
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make sure to read Steve's entire article
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we'll link that below
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to get his starts on the box
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the Pelicans and the Suns
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which are again
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in his article
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we just don't have time to go over him here
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because we have a shot clock we have to adhere to
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but that's it Time's up
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